I Don't Get Black

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By Chasuk

I'm Not White.

At least, I don't identify as white. I don't identify as any color at all. I'm Chas Warren, husband, father, friend, lover, teacher, geek, reader, writer, and gamer. White isn't one of my roles or one of my relevant criteria. This is true even when I'm the minority. I live in South Korea, but I'm not the white guy (or even the Caucasian). I'm American. I'm the foreigner. I'm fat. But I'm never white.

Unless, of course, I'm with a black person. Then, suddenly, I'm white.

I'm not white at the conscious level. I can't abstract it. I don't "get" white in any way that would be useful to a sociologist.

But I get black even less.

The History of My Black Confusion

I was raised in the Pacific Northwest of the United States, in a small town that had few blacks. Maybe it had none; I don't remember seeing any who weren't on television.

I learned the same playground games that children seem to play worldwide, the most popular being tag.

When we played tag, all of the children at my elementary school used the following counting rhyme:

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe,
Catch a nigger by his toe.
If he hollers make him pay,
Fifty dollars every day.
My mother told me to pick the very best one,

And YOU are not it!

I think most of us knew that the word "nigger" was bad, but we had been taught this rhyme by our parents. Our parents weren't racists, or, if they were, they weren't the horrible type of racist who had murdered Martin Luther King. Our parents were only a tiny bit racist. They weren't like the people in the South, where everybody was racist. We were from the North, where nearly everybody was good.

The Insignificance of Neil Armstrong

Neil Armstrong walked on the moon on the year that I turned nine. It was such a big deal that we watched it at school. However -- truthfully -- I didn't appreciate its significance. There were other things that were bigger. The Vietnam War, for instance. I knew that it had been going on forever. I knew that I would be in it. Watching the parade of body bags every night on the news was pretty scary.

But the Apollo 11 moon landing or the parade of body bags wasn't the biggest thing in my life.

What was the biggest thing?

The biggest thing concerned my father's youngest sister, the sister who used to babysit me. At about the same time that Neil Armstrong walked on the moon -- the precise date isn't important -- my aunt did something so shocking that it rocked the entire family.

What did she do?

She married a black man.

The Importance of Bill Cosby

At the time, the only black man whose name I knew was Bill Cosby.

I'm telling a lie; I knew who Michael Jackson was, but barely. I heard him on the radio, and saw him sometimes on TV. He was a kid about my age. He was cool, and I liked him, but he didn't make an impression until I was older.

Maybe Michael Jackson would have made a bigger impression if I'd lived with him every night, like I did with Bill Cosby.

Before Bill Cosby became Dr. Huxtable, I loved him in I, Spy . Cosby was a secret agent who spent most of his time chasing villains and beautiful women all over the world, and sometimes playing tennis. If you saw the Eddie Murphy, Owen Wilson movie, please erase it from your mind. The TV series was great.

After I, Spy , he was in The Bill Cosby Show, which ran from 1969-1971. Cosby played a High School P.E. teacher. It had nothing to do with 1984's epoch-making, similarly named The Cosby Show .

After that came Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids. I'll discuss Fat Albert later.

I knew who Muhammad Ali was, that he had changed his name from Cassius Clay, and that he had converted to something called a Moslem. That's what Muslims were called back then; Moslems.

I knew who Diahann Carroll was, because I watched her in a TV series called Julia , in which she played a nurse working in a doctor's office.

There was a black actor in a police drama called The Mod Squad , and there was a black actor in a comedy drama called Room 222 . I had an inkling who Aretha Franklin was.

That was the depth and breadth and height of my black universe, until my aunt married a black man.

My Formerly Non-Racist Father

My formerly non-racist father was furious.

This confused me.

This was the same father who had told me that black people were the same as white people, only black. This was the same father who had recently explained to me that I should say "catch a tiger" instead of "catch a nigger." The word nigger was bad, and he was sorry for teaching me that word.

Why was he suddenly upset that a black man had married his sister?

My New Uncle

I'm not sure how great my new uncle was as a husband, but he was great as an uncle. He was funny and kind and he bought me better presents than my parents ever had. I adored him. He bought me a scale-model Wankel rotary engine, with moving parts. It was transparent, so I could watch the parts move after I'd assembled it. I think it was the last model I ever built, but it was the first gift I'd ever received that meant anything to me.

So the first important gift of my life was bought for me by my black uncle, except I didn't notice he was black.

The 1970s

My aunt and uncle parted ways, but not until after their union resulted in my first cousin. My aunt and my first cousin continued their lives in places removed from mine. My first cousin does enter my story again, nearly 30 years later.

For the next ten years, my black universe shrunk to the stars of TV sitcoms.

Black sitcoms in the 1970s confused me then, and they confuse me now. They confused me because they were black. I, Spy -- a product of the 1960s-- wasn't black TV. Bill Cosby was a secret agent who happened to be black. In The Bill Cosby Show -- which began broadcasting in the 1960s -- Cosby was a P.E. teacher who happened to be black. Diahann Carroll in Julia -- which also began broadcasting in the 1960s -- was a nurse working in a doctor's office. She wasn't a black nurse working in a doctor's office.

The black sitcoms of the 1970's reversed that.

Good Times was about a black family surviving in the ghettos of Chicago. From this show, I learned to associate "black" with jive-talking buffoons. All black women were fat, unattractive, and worked as maids. All black men were chronically unemployable. My apologies to Jimmie Walker, Esther Rolle, and John Amos.

Sanford and Son was about 30-year old Lamont Sanford and his junk dealer father, Fred, who lived in the Watts neighborhood of Los Angeles. At the time this show was first broadcast, the Watts Riots were fresh in people's minds, having occurred less than a decade earlier. In the Watts Riots, 34 people were killed, 1,032 were injured, and 3,438 were arrested.

Nearly every episode of Sanford and Son focused on the backfiring of another one of Fred's money-making schemes. Fred's sister-in-law, Esther, was a deeply unattractive woman whom Fred compared to King Kong and Godzilla virtually every time she appeared.

Sanford and Son confirmed that all black families lived in impoverished, violent neighborhoods and that most black women were ugly.

What's Happening!! was about three black teenagers and a collection of other characters who lived in Watts. Of the six, three were obese. Of those three, two were unattractive women. The lessons of Good Times and Sanford and Son were thus confirmed.

There was one notable exception: The Jeffersons , which featured an affluent black family. It ran from 1975-1985, overlapping by one year the sitcom which changed everything

I am talking, of course, of The Cosby Show .

Bill Cosby, Again

The Jeffersons was about an affluent black family from Manhattan. The Cosby Show was about an affluent family from Brooklyn. Note the crucial difference? White America tuned in to The Jeffersons to watch a black sitcom. White America tuned in to The Cosby Show to watch a sitcom.

Neither show was about ghetto.

There are two important types of ghetto. The first is a slum occupied by minorities. The second is any segregated group, regardless of literal location. The first is a physical ghetto. The second is a social one.

In the 1960s and again in the 1980s, Bill Cosby presented families who weren't in the ghetto, either physically or socially. In the 1970s, Cosby ventured into the ghetto -- specifically, into a fictionalized version of the North Philadelphia neighborhood where he grew up -- in the animated series, Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids.

Fat Albert did something that no American program had done before. It introduced black kids to white kids. For the first time, children of all social classes were watching the same program, and the stars of that program were black. The children watching Fat Albert may have understood ghetto as a location, but they didn't comprehend it as a condition. They hadn't yet learned to socially compartmentalize.

From Cosby to Whitney Houston

The white kids who watched Fat Albert later watched The Cosby Show.

Both shows were transformative. Without them, Whitney Houston would never have been beautiful.

Never beautiful to White America, that is.

In the 1970's and before, white males couldn't publicly admit to finding a black woman attractive. Good Times, Sanford and Son, and What's Happening!! virtually guaranteed that If a white man commented on a black woman's beauty, it had to be accompanied by the words "exotic" or "Jungle Bunny." Those words added distance. Sometimes, a white man would say, "Shes pretty, for a black woman." That qualifier added distance.

The supermodel Iman was referred to as exotic a lot. ""Jungle Bunny" seemed reserved for Tina Turner.

It wasn't until Whitney Houston's music videos that most white men were able to freely refer to black women as beautiful. No one called her exotic. No one called her a Jungle Bunny. No one said of her, "Shes pretty, for a black woman."

From Whitney to Lisa Bonet

At about the same time that white men were noticing Whitney Houston, they were noticing Lisa Bonet. Lisa Bonet was the actress who played Denise Huxtable on The Cosby Show, Dr. Huxtable's eldest daughter.

Denise Huxtable transitioned from jail-bait to legal at about the same time that Whitney Houston released "Greatest Love of All", her biggest hit until then. If the Internet had existed then, Bonet would have been the focus of the same sort of creepiness that Emma Watson has recently endured.

Bingo! Two black women who young white men could admire in ways that are especially important to young white men.

The Great Appropriation

Before white culture embraces something, it has to co-opt it. This happened with rock music, it happened with hip hop, and it happened with standards of beauty.

Actually, it happened with standards of beauty in reverse.

Modern black women don't have black hair. They haven't for generations. Do you think that is Beyoncé's real hair? Nope. Rihanna's real hair? Nope. Oprah's real hair? Nope.

If you are a modern black woman, the odds are that you relax it with sodium hydroxide, or pay a lot of money to have expensive hair pieces attached to it.

Not Rihanna's Real Hair

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Not Beyoncé's Real Hair

Vivian Green's Real Hair

Lauryn Hill's Real Hair

My Black Basic Training

As I've mentioned earlier, I had little exposure to blacks outside of television. My first cousin and my uncle weren't in my life long.

That changed when I joined the US Air Force, and discovered that being black really did involve differences. Black people weren't white people with different complexions.

In Basic Training, approximately half of those airmen who shared my barracks were black. I treated them as white guys with black skin, as I'd been raised. That's not how they treated me. I was a whitey, a honky, or a cracker. I'd never been called any of these names before. They weren't pejoratives that I knew, so I wasn't offended.

Within the first few weeks, I learned that the majority of the black airmen really did prefer women with big butts. This flabbergasted me. I wasn't flabbergasted because their preference was different from mine, but I was flabbergasted because something that I had always believed to be a stereotype was apparently true.

During the ten years I spent in the US Air Force, I only experienced one racial incident.

When I was a Sergeant, my boss was a black Staff Sergeant. We didn't get along particularly well, but I had never attributed it to race.

After a minor squabble, he said to me: "Go on, say it."

"Say what?" I said.

"You know you want to call me a nigger. Have some courage; just do it."

I was flabbergasted all over again. I'd never used the word nigger as a pejorative in my life. I still haven't. I'd never heard it used as pejorative except for in tasteless jokes and in films depicting racist yokels. It had never occurred to me that anyone still used that word with serious offensive intent.

The Kenyan, and My First Cousin

Fast forward about a dozen years. My life was so busy during this interval that I didn't have time to be confused. Besides, I was no longer in the Air Force. Blacks again existed primarily on television.

I'd come to accept that there might be some cultural differences between white people and black people, but I didn't process it further than that. I was a multiculturalist; white people and black people were different in some ways. If there was more to the subject, I didn't have enough leisure to think about it, and I barely cared.

Then I met a Kenyan, and my first cousin again, and things changed.

The Kenyan I met at university. I don't think of him as "The Kenyan," I think of him by his name. I call him "The Kenyan" here to protect his anonymity.

I'd known the Kenyan for several years, when suddenly he stopped being so laid back. He'd always been laid back, before. I asked him what had changed.

"I get it, now," he said.

"What do you get?" I asked.

"I get what it means to be black in America," he said.

So we talked about it. I'll paraphrase what her told me.

In Kenya, he didn't identify as black. He didn't identify as any color at all. Then he became a graduate student in White America. I say White America, because the university we were attending was in a state in the Pacific Northwest that was almost exclusively rural, and largely dominated by working-class whites, most of whom were politically reactionary.

He was suddenly black at the conscious level.

Shortly after my dialogue with the Kenyan, I met my first cousin again. We don't meet each other often. She usually lives in San Francisco.

Without knowing of my dialogue with the Kenyan, she told me a similar story about herself.

In San Francisco, she doesn't identify as black. In the Pacific Northwest, well-meaning elderly white woman pat her hand, and say to her, "it must be hard for you, living in this part of the country, being black."

As my first cousin told me this story, my black confusion increased and subsided simultaneously. It increased because I remember it once more for the first time in a long while. it subsided because I had just gained a sliver of understanding.

My Black Confusion Remains

I am still confused by black, and here are a few of the reasons, some in the form of questions.

To my eyes, Vivian Green and Lauryn Hill are just as beautiful -- with their natural hair -- as Rihanna or Beyoncé with their unnatural hair.

Most black women apparently disagree with me. There is a movement among black women to “go natural,” but these women are still in the minority, and probably always will be.

Could Condoleeza Rice have been Secretary of State with natural hair?

In 2008, skin whitening products were valued at $43 billion.

On an episode of the Tyra Banks show, I learned that some black women bleach their babies. Yes, really.

Black Men Dating White Women: Symbol of Success?

I have a friend who is a roving university psychologist. In other words, her services are shared by several universities as she commutes from one to the next.

Over coffee one day, she told me that young black women were some of her most frequent -- and troubled -- patients.

According to her, a black woman dating a white woman is a sign of success, yet for a black woman to date a black man is anathema.

Of course, I have no way of knowing whether this is true, but it adds another layer of confusion.

Comments

junko Level 5 Commenter 8 months ago

Chasuk, Americas wealth(Old Money)was made on the Backs of slaves for hundreds of years. After centuries of free labor the slaves were freed to work for low wages and food. There was no 40 acres and a mule. About a hundred later you were introduced to Black America on TV. The adults who taught the children the tag song had read about or visited below the Mason Dixen Line. TV was used then as today to altar thought. History has shown that the conquered in order to survive assimulate. I've seen Black, Asian, Native American, and Hispanic Blonds. I've even seen whites with dread-lock, go figure. African American was made in America and that has always confused them. So your confusion is understandable hence where you were born and raised. The confusion of Blacks was deliberate hence where they were born and raised.

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FitnezzJim Level 6 Commenter 8 months ago

Great Hub. I wondered about the rhyme, then I saw you were also taught the tiger version. The tiger version was the only version I ever learned and was surprised to learn of your version, here it is forty-five years later. I'll never forget the lessons I learned from the first black kid I met (60's in North Chicago), the good and the bad at the same time. Those lessons were tainted when we'd visit my grandparents who lived in Southeast, DC. Even so, I was baffled later when I'd tell fellow school students of visiting Southeast in the 60's, and would get told I was lying since I was alive to tell about it. Rumors, southeast wasn't that bad, after all, I could go to church there.

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cooldad Level 4 Commenter 8 months ago

Wow, great hub here. I first learned the word "nigger" when I was about 9 or 10 from my grandfather who was a Southern Baptist minister in Georgia. Then my dad used to yell at me when I watched What's Happening, "son, turn that jigaboo sh_t off."

Then when I played varsity basketball as a freshman in high school I suddenly had several black friends who spent a lot of time at my house. My dad was really nice to them. Fortunately I was smart enough at an early age to understand not to be a racist.

The south is a very different world.

This is a great story about your experience with race. I enjoyed it immensely.

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Stigma31 Level 2 Commenter 8 months ago

I grew up in a predominately white city a a fews years later than you, and I always had a natural repore with any so called minorities. I never thought of them of being any different than I. And if I remember properly, Thelma from Good Times was pretty damn hot. Mind you I was young when I watched it, then Janet Jackson appeared as well. I remember Lamont, from Sanford and Son, dating some good looking black women as well. The wife of Wilson from the Jefferson, even though a little bit older was definitely attractive. Just saying.....very well written, voting up!

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tlpoague Level 7 Commenter 8 months ago

This was an interesting (and understandable in the confusion of blacks) hub. I recently read a hub that touched upon this topic by James A Watkins. (Multiculturalism in America) I was raised to accept one another no matter what. I have never been racist, but can't control what comes out of my mouth when my DUH button is stuck. I was once having a CRS moment and accidently forgot the types of pies we were serving, while I was working as a waitress. A man stopped me to ask what kind of pies we had. I looked at the fridge had a brain fart, looked at him and said "Crap, what is the name of that black pie?" Then it occured to me I had just said this to a black guy. I was humiliated, and luckily enough, he realized I wasn't being racist. (I could truly call it a blonde moment.) So I asked the waitress what pies we had in the fridge. She looked at me and told me..."How do I know? I am color blind." (In which case, she really is color blind.) The pies in the case were chocolate cream, coconut cream, and lemon. In the end, the poor guy ordered chocolate while I went off and had some humble pie. Life can truly be confusing...Great hub! Voted up.

Bonnie Crigger 8 months ago

Chas, this was great! Very well written and for once I agree with almost everything you wrote.:) I believe what matters is not the color of a person's skin, but the color of their heart!

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@junko: Thank you for you comment. :-)

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@FitnezzJim: Thank you for your kind words. I've never been to Chicago except for the pass through it, so it doesn't evoke any menace in my mind.

It's amazing that lessons we learn in the 60s can stick with us, isn't it?

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@cooldad: I appreciate your comments. :-)

Were you raised in the South?

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@tlpoague: I'm glad that you liked my hub, though I can't help cringe a bit when you compare it to Watkins' Multiculturalism hub, as I disagree with it utterly. :-)

I liked your story about the chocolate pie. ;-)

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@Bonnie Crigger: Thank you. :-) It's good to see you on HubPages.

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mcrawford76 8 months ago

I can relate to a lot of what you wrote here. As a child I was raised in rural Colorado with almost no exposure to other cultures. But throughout my life and travels I have seen racism first hand from both sides. In high school I lived in South Florida where I was of the minority. I received backlash from my fellow students for making the football team, and more severely for dating a black girl. I learned that it wasn't very nice to judge someone solely on the color of their skin. Though I did not understand or agree with many of their beliefs, I still feel that I treated all people as equals. I do not believe myself better because I am white.

Fast forward 2 years and I was back in the stix. This time in Northwestern Wyoming. I never knew people were actually racist prior to living there. They really hated everything about the black culture. The music (even Jimmi Hendrix!!), the language, the attire, everything. This astounded me as even though I was involved in several fights and taunted for being white in Florida, I was generally accepted by most of my peers. I had never been exposed to someone who would lash out at another person simply for listening to "black music" (it was Jimmi for heaven’s sake). My lesson there was that small minded men had little view of the real world.

The end of the story is that I feel that because I got to see both sides of the argument that I decided that they were both wrong. I don't think it's difficult at all to treat a person as a person.

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@mcrawford76: You wrote, "My lesson there was that small minded men had little view of the real world."

Exactly.

Thank you for your comment. :-)

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Sam Dolloff Level 2 Commenter 8 months ago

Very interesting Hub! I have grown up in the North East all my life so I have experienced some of the same upbringing as you. I have had several Black friends from time to time and it always has seemed they identifu with being black more than I realize they are black. It is an interesting world we live in. Thanks for writting.

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@Sam Dolloff: Thank you. :-)

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James A Watkins Level 8 Commenter 8 months ago

I think color should be done away with. Look at how America separates people by color so it can dole out jobs and college slots to "people of color" first. Look at how color is used to put the majority of the populace in a aggrieved group that deserves compensation from a minority group. I believe that employment and colleges should be prohibited from using race or ethnicity or gender when considering applicants.

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@James A Watkins: "You wrote, "Look at how color is used to put the majority of the populace in a aggrieved group that deserves compensation from a minority group."

Don't you mean the opposite? Our current situation provides compensation FOR a minority group, not FROM it. Or am I misinterpreting something?

Affirmative action is a subject I haven't addressed in this hub, as I haven't truthfully given it any thought.

Thank you for your participation.

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Jonesy0311 8 months ago

Excellent hub. I can relate as I was raised in a small town (pop.850) in the MidWest which was, as far as I know, 100% White. In response to James A Watkins, the documentary on Freakonomics (I haven't read the book) cited an interesting racial study on names. They determiend that resumes (with equal qualifications) were 30% less likely to get a call back if the name on them sounded African-American (Jamal, Tyrone, etc.).

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Dardia Level 3 Commenter 8 months ago

There were only a couple of families in our area when I was growing up. They fit in fine and the only difference was the color of our skin. We were friends with them and they were friends with us. We had neighbors who had moved up from Mississippi and another neighborhood family who talked as if they were racists but I believe it was just their parents talking through them. Because when they were around people of other skin colors they did not act as though they hated them.

It is a terrible shame that people would pass on the hatred to their children. Just as it is a shame that the hatred mostly comes from ignorance. These people are doing their own children wrong by teaching this behavior.

Some people now hate gays because they feel it is wrong. Even if it is wrong it is no reason to hate. I know a few gay people and they are nice people. They don't invite me into their private life any more than I invite them into mine. So on an everyday basis there is no real difference between us.

I have a blind friend who came to my house once for a party and was able to find his way around the house on his own. This was the only time he had been over. He acted just as the rest of the family even though he had no sight. Should he be treated differently? I felt a little self-aware when I told him it was good to see him. He responded the same as a sighted person would have, and I realized he knew I was only saying would have said to anyone I cared about.

Sorry, I didn't mean to write my own hub in your comments but you got me going! :) Great hub! Voted up, awesome, interesting and useful!

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wychic Level 1 Commenter 8 months ago

Great hub, and voted up :). I'm a Wyoming girl m'self, and had plenty of exposure to Mexicans, Crow, and some Apache -- but never any black people when I was younger. The "isms" boggled my mind then, and they do now too...I really don't understand why the color of someone's skin is used as a defining factor in any way. My first real introduction to "black culture" was when I met my husband -- he's a Russian Jew, but he was adopted by a black family in Detroit. Let's just say that my little world has been expanding significantly, and there are so many words in my vocabulary that have new meanings now -- there are so many racial slurs that I just can't keep up with them. I've also never been so ashamed of my home town as I was when my stepson came to visit, and I realized just how much racism there is here.

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cooldad Level 4 Commenter 8 months ago

@Chasuk: I was raised in Florida. My mother was raised in South Georgia, my father was born in Massachusetts, but raised in Florida. They met at college in Valdosta, Georgia. To this day, my mother is terrified of black people, even though she grew up with a black nanny. South Georgia was and still is a very backwards part of America.

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Jeff May Level 2 Commenter 8 months ago

Nice work. I found it sort of amusing that we use TV as our cultural guide. But it is more or less true. As for being black... a complex issue for sure. I agree about the hair. I wonder if I'd think a black woman as "good looking" with kinky hair.

Ausseye Level 3 Commenter 8 months ago

Whow what a living account of a emotive subject.....no exposure until I went to the Northen Territory where it's an uneasy truce between racists and family ( the extended aboriginal co-habitants), it sounds a bit like the South. I learnt a lot about many things from my fellow aboriginal I considered friends, an experience I value and consider myself luck to have had. Songlines and Country mean something totally different now as they are now deeper in my inner human space. This was a rewarding read for someone who has not had your first hand experience, I felt a very human hand taking me on a journey that was worthwhile.

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James A Watkins Level 8 Commenter 8 months ago

You understood me correctly when I said: "Look at how color is used to put the majority of the populace in a aggrieved group that deserves compensation from a minority group."

White heterosexual men are about 31 percent of all Americans. By my reckoning of the true meaning of the word "minority" that makes them the "minority" and the other 69 percent (all of whom are aggrieved according to the Left) are the majority (though the Left "calls" them "minorities" or "protected groups.

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@James A Watkins: I now understand your point, but remember that there are lesser and greater -- as in larger and smaller -- minorities. You are comparing a natural minority with an artificially-constructed superminority. Naturally, the superminority is larger. You selected it that way.

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@Jonesy0311: The Freakonomics study was interesting. I'd heard of it, but forgotten the details. Thanks for the sharing.

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@Dardia: You don't have to apologize for the length of your comments. :-)

I am always so sad when I see parents passing on prejudice to their kids. :-(

Thanks for contributing!

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@wychic: Wyoming? That's almost my neck of the woods. Wyoming, Montana, Idaho all sort of blend together, demographically, or at least it seems.

Thank you for your thoughtful message.

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@cooldad: Your mother is terrified of black people, even though she grew up with a black nanny? Did your mother suffer some traumatic experience at the hands of this nanny (if you don't mind my asking)?

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@Jeff May: The TV is still our cultural guide to a large extent, but that is probably being surrendered to the Internet.

Watch the Chris Rock documented "Good Hair." From it, I learned that a lot of black men and women really dislike "nappy" hair.

Thanks for the comment. :-)

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@Ausseye: I was concerned when I wrote this that I had chosen a subjective that was TOO emotive; that I would be accused of racism by those who chose not to comprehend. Thank you very much for your compliment. I'm grateful that my hub was a rewarding read. :-)

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Enuendo77 8 months ago

I was back and forth with this hub, but can appreciate its honesty, and your obviously sheltered up bringing. You might want to take a deeper look into the history of your nation,(country/race). I think that will clarify things.

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Enuendo77 8 months ago

By the way black people are descendants of African slaves brought over here by Caucasian Europeans your ancestors.

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@Enuendo77: I had an average upbringing.

I know the historical realities, but that isn't the "get it" that I was talking about.

Thank you for your comments.

Msgracie 8 months ago

Great hub, but a few points I would like to make, Oprah, that is her real hair! The Cosby Show, Denise, was the second eldest, there was a sister name Saundra that was older than her.

Someone commented by "Wilson," that is Willis, his wife was Roxie Roker, by the way, she was Lisa Bonet's former mother in law, she is Lenny Kravitz's mom. She has passed away, I believe Roxier Roker died of cancer in 1995.

As far as, liking women with a larger bottom, it can be true, but sometimes black men, don't stick to that and whomever they meet and marry, doesn't always have to be someone with a larger butt.

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mobias Level 2 Commenter 8 months ago

Thanks for honestly sharing your story Chasuk. I can relate to your stories regarding being in the AF. I, similarly, felt those racial issues surface when I was in basic, and even further out of tech schools and on to our final base. Blacks in my Flight, fiercely kept to themselves, at one corner of the bay, with perhaps a very few, notable exceptions. Even though they were from very random areas of the country, they bonded fast, and continued their 'for blacks only' language beside the rest of us White, Latino, Russian, Asian etc.

Having grown up in Minnesota and being pretty open minded and compassionate for differences in people’s ethnicity, I actually learned a new feeling back then, of resentment. I felt that what those blacks were doing was actually alienating me...an undeserving participant, from potentially being a friend, co-conspirator…an alley against our military superiors. Instead, I felt that perhaps the pervading idea that it was old school whites that passed down this feeling of suppressing the black experience in America was not the entire story. That on some, dismaying realization, I watched as they took a great hand in segregating themselves from me…through no motivation other than…that is perhaps what ‘their’ fathers imposed on them how they should act… There are many complex issues here, but this is one I still see happening in my workplace even today, in this country of Obama and ‘education’. When will this behavior finally be shed from the undercurrent of our American society??

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bill yon Level 2 Commenter 8 months ago

OK the first thing I would like to say is that is Rihannas real hair. Now that I am past the hair thing What the devil is James A Watkins talking about White Men being the minority at 31 million????? There is only 38 million black people in America period, men and women! I really do not want to beat on the same drum but America is racist as hell!!! But that is OK, oh and James A watkins Black People are not the source of your problems! Damn this oppressed majority crap is getting on my nerves. Anyway I would like to address the Black men dating white women because it is a sign of success...statement. I am black and I have dated a lot of white women as well as asians but it was not because it was a sign of success or to move up the social ladder or anything like that it was because of attraction. In fact I usually go out of my way NOT to date white women because I do not want to go through all the bull crap from WHITE MEN, and BLACK WOMEN. Did you know marriages between blacks and whites last longer than " normal" marriages? When a black person and a white person marry's you can bet the house its real love, because there is a lot of drama that comes along with it. Trust me I know, I have dealt with every kind of racist you can Imagine. The worst racist of all is the one who claims not to be.

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Rachelle Williams Level 4 Commenter 8 months ago

"Good Times," "Sanford and Son," "What's Happening," "The Cosby Show," and "The Jefferson's," are all valid portraits (albeit comically enhanced) of the way that some African Americans lived and continue to live their lives.

There is diversity of lifestyle in all races, creeds, and religion, and we cannot only show examples of one particular lifestyle just because it gives a positive face to a group of people.

Although I disagree with your comments about Sanford, Good Times, and What's Happening, I still think this is a great hub, and I applaud you for sharing your outlook.

This hub gets a vote up from me.

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@Msgracie: That's Oprah's real hair? Are you sure?

Thank you for your correction regarding Denise, and for your comments in general.

I'm glad to live in a world in which butt's of all sizes are appreciated. Diversity is nice. ;-)

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@mobias: I try to be honest in whatever I share. I'm glad that you enjoy the fruits of my honesty.

I don't think that racism will ever fade entirely, but I do hope that it becomes less significant.

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@bill yon: That's Rihanna's real hair? Really?

I'm glad to hear a counter to the "sign of success" thing. It's good to hear an informed contrary opinion.

You get crap from white men and black women when you date a white woman? I can guess what kind of crap you get from white men, but what kind of crap do you get from black women? Do you mind sharing?

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Chasuk Hub Author 8 months ago

@Rachelle Williams: I guess that "Good Times," etc., are all comically-enhanced, valid portraits, but I've never considered them from that perspective. I haven't re-watched them since they were new, much to my discredit.

You are right, we can't show examples of one particular lifestyle just because it gives a positive face to a group of people.

Now I'm more confused than ever.

Actually, your perspective has been enlightening. Thank you very much for sharing it. :-)

SanXuary Level 5 Commenter 7 months ago

I grew up in a all white town and had to learn that I was a racist when I never considered myself to be one. I never even knew what the eni meni mi thing was about. Of course I changed my ways when I learned because I was never really a racist but simply had no idea what was perceived to be racist or prejudice. Older and wiser I find no humour in any racist joke of any kind and that often limits my ability to watch stand up comedy. Reference such as their music left my life and now I am one of the biggest activist against discrimination of any kind. What I have discovered in life is that discrimination has not gone away but has changed to allow the discrimination of everyone. This is the result of not creating sound policies to eliminate it but to incorporate it to include everyone. The result is that we all can be discriminated against until we all put a end to it.

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cathylynn99 Level 4 Commenter 6 months ago

junko,

i've seen whites with dreads as recently as this week.

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Moon Daisy Level 5 Commenter 6 months ago

This is a very interesting hub, I really enjoyed it. The Cosby Show was one of my first exposures to black families, as there weren't very many black children at my school. But as a child it didn't help me to relate to local black people too much, as these were black people with American accents!

A show that made me see that black people were not so different to everybody else was Desmond's, a comedy with a mainly black cast, set in a South London hairdresser's shop. It gave a great insight into black family life in London, and even at the time (late 1980's and early 90's), it was quite revolutionary as you didn't see many shows here with a predominantly black cast.

Now London is extremely multicultural; my daughter's friends originate from all over the world, and she sees it as normal that everybody is different. The way they are taught at school is to learn about cultural differences, but understand that everybody is equal. I'm hoping that this generation are going to grow up more "colour-blind".

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Levertis Steele Level 6 Commenter 3 months ago

The only ethnic hairstyles that the world seemed to have a problem with were those of Blacks. When Black people wore their Afros and braids, they were criticized heavily by other races, especially whites. Many were not hired on jobs with these styles. I have known people to discontinue their braids and straighten their afro to go job hunting. I have seen students get suspended from school because they were improperly groomed, meaning they had Afros or braids.

Very recently a White woman complained that she could not deal with Black hair because "You cannot run your fingers through it." In the world that Blacks live in, they will be danged if they do and danged if they do not. All of the extensions, colors, and chemicals are the result of decades of unfair treatment due to ethnic choices. I just wish everyone would just stop to think about what they want and tune out anyone who has a probem with them being themselves.

Now, blacks cannot be discriminated against because of ethnic styles, at least they cannot be told if they are discriminated against.

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Chris Hugh Level 4 Commenter 2 weeks ago

I find it odd to read whites confessing that they didn't know they were racist until some minor, harmless event took place. Then they see the light and are so sorry. It's silly. Were you full of hate? No? Then you were not a racist. Honestly, I think some of this fake white guilt is really people trying to make themselves feel sophisticated and fashionable.

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rdcast Level 2 Commenter 2 weeks ago

I once saw a man so beautifully dark, he was a kind of purple. I mention this only because I see the "black gene" as superior.

White/black is racist at its core. It's like shit on a stick. "Hey mah cracker, wadup!?!"

10 years ago, I began discussing the replacement of black/white with richly complected/pale complected, even though both "richly" and "completed" aren't in the dictionary.

What so-called white people are, is not white in the least, but rather transparent. Whereas so-called black people are never black, but rather richly complected.

Racism is a thing for this world and not God's Kingdom.

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