The United States is Not a Christian Nation

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By Chasuk

The Obama Firestorm

On June 28, 2006, Obama gave the keynote address at Sojourner's magazine "Call to Renewal" conference.

The entire text is linked below, but here is the quote that produced the firestorm:

"Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."

Did he really say THAT?!?

If you doubt that he spoke those words, feel free to examine the video evidence.

Skip forward 65 seconds.

Factually Correct

Obama was factually correct, which is the only thing that matters in questions of fact.

In other words, we are either a Christian nation, or we aren't.

Opinion is irrelevant.

We are not, nor have we ever been, a Christian nation.

What the Constitution Doesn't Say

The Constitution doesn't say this:

“In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred…. Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial.”

That's an extract from the Constitution of Ireland.

If the U.S. Constitution was establishing the United States as a Christian nation, wouldn't it have been as explicit as the example above?

That is a reasonable expectation, yes.

But the U.S. Constitution contains nothing like those phrases.

What the Constitution Says

Instead, it says this:

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

Read that last sentence again, carefully:

"... no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

The United States Constitution -- literally the highest law in the land -- nowhere emphatically declares the United States a Christian nation, yet it emphatically forbids a religious test from being required for office.

What the Treaty of Tripoli Said

The Treaty of Tripoli took effect as U.S. law on June 10, 1797.

It was signed by President John Adams, and ratified unanimously by the U.S. Senate.

Here is what it said:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

The entire treaty was read aloud on the Senate floor.

President Adams wrote this signing statement on the treaty:

"Now be it known, That I John Adams, President of the United States of America, having seen and considered the said Treaty do, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, accept, ratify, and confirm the same, and every clause and article thereof."

What Our Founding Fathers Said

Thomas Jefferson wrote this to the Virginia Baptists:

"Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person's life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights."

Note that Jefferson is supporting the rights of non-believers, centuries before Obama did.

In his autobiography, discussing the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, Jefferson wrote this:

"The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason & right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that it’s protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word “Jesus Christ,” so that it should read “a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion.” The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it’s protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination."

Note particularly the latter half of the final sentence:

"... they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it’s protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination."

James Madison said this:

"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; in many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient allies."

Bejamin Franklin wrote:

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."

And:

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."

This quotes aren't obscure or secret. Do any of these men sound as if they would be inclined to constitutionally enshrine Christianity, or any religion?

The Fabricated Claims

Many people believe that the U.S. is a Christian nation out of innocent ignorance.

Others use it as part of their ideological platform, because it allows them to make fabricated claims that seem to support their cause.

Those in the second category chiefly make dishonest claims about prayer in schools, the reading of the bible in schools, and the general erosion of U.S. freedoms.

They frequently tie all of these deceitful assertions together to make their other unsupported claims seem more urgent.

The United States isn't a Christian nation, but neither is it a godless one.

Prayer in Schools

You can pray in schools.

Anything that you have been told which contradicts this is a lie.

From the Supreme Court case, Santa Fe Independent School District v 530 U.S. 290:

"Thus, nothing in the Constitution as interpreted by this Court prohibits any public school student from voluntarily praying at any time before, during, or after the schoolday."

From the US Department of Education guidelines:

"Students may pray when not engaged in school activities or instruction, subject to the same rules designed to prevent material disruption of the educational program that are applied to other privately initiated expressive activities. Among other things, students may read their Bibles or other scriptures, say grace before meals, and pray or study religious materials with fellow students during recess, the lunch hour, or other noninstructional time to the same extent that they may engage in nonreligious activities."

Students can't disrupt classes with prayer --they can't disrupt classes with animal sacrifices, either -- but they can definitely pray. That right is unequivocally guaranteed.

The Bible in School

Did you miss the part above where the U.S. Department of Education approved the reading of the Bible in school?

Their approval was based on another U.S. Supreme Court decision, Schempp, 374 U.S. at 225.

"It might well be said that one's education is not complete without a study of comparative religion or the history of religion and its relationship to the advancement of civilization. It certainly may be said that the Bible is worthy of study for its literary and historic qualities. Nothing we have said here indicates that such study of the Bible or of religion, when presented objectively as part of a secular program of education, may not be effected consistently with the First Amendment."

But It Can't be Forced

Kids can pray in school.

Kids can read the Bible in school.

But they can't be forced to pray or read the Bible by teachers.

Before you complain too loudly, remember that this restriction prevents a Muslim teacher from forcing children to pray to Allah, or to read the Qur'an.

A Mormon teacher can't compel children to read the the Book of Mormon.

That's why these prohibitions exist; to prevent coercion.

The Nazi Salute

Remember those erosions of U.S. freedoms that I blame the scaremongers for inventing?

The erosions are real, but not in the way that the scaremongers claim.

The first photo is of a group of German schoolchildren performing a Nazi salute.

It is a sad testimony to the power of brainwashing and propaganda.

U.S. citizens -- or anyone who loves freedom -- are rightfully appalled by it.

The Bellamy Salute

The second photo is of US. schoolchildren performing the Bellamy salute, named after Francis Bellamy.

Bellamy wrote the original Pledge of Allegiance, and this was the salute that he created for it.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture because the Bellamy salute too closely resembled the Nazi salute.

The Pledge of Allegiance is an erosion of our civil liberties, but not because the United States has fallen from a Christian nation. Any country valuing freedom of dissent should not require citizens to pledge allegiance to it.

Bellamy was a Christian minister.

In 1954, the insertion of the words "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance was another erosion.

President Eisenhower succumbed to pressure from George MacPherson Docherty, the pastor of New York Avenue Presbyterian Church, to have the words added.

That makes two erosions, both under the guise of patriotism, and both using godly pretense.

The Year of Our Lord

There is one indisputable reference to Jesus in the Constitution.

Article VII -- which ratifies the document -- uses these words:

"Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven."

This means nothing. The European dating system is an artifact of Western culture.

Any claim to the contrary is merely embarrassing to the claimant, and disingenuous.

But the Separation of Church and State Isn't in the Constitution!

No, it isn't.

But it doesn't need to be.

If you read everything presented here with an open-mind, it is clear that the Founding Fathers were not in favor of an ecclesiastical government, so they did not enshrine Christianity or any other religion in our Constitution.

Footnote: David Barton is a Historical Revisionist

David Barton deserves a hub of his own, but I'm not going to be the guy to write it.

He has digested a lot of information about his subject, but only to aid him as a propagandist for the Christian right.

Read the article linked at the bottom of this hub if you are interested in assessments by real historians of Barton's work.

Comments

Tim_511 profile image

Tim_511 18 months ago

It is true that the United States is not an explicitly Christian nation, but we are a nation based on Christianity and that also cannot be denied. It is easy to cherry-pick statements from the founders that say anything you like - I can give you statements by any you choose that make them sound like committed Christians. Most were Christians, a few were Deists, absolutely none were known to be atheists.

One of the first actions of Congress was to print Bibles. Church services were also held in Congress for years. Neither of these means that we have a state religion, but it was expected by all that at least some denominations of Christianity would remain the common religion for the United States.

FitnezzJim profile image

FitnezzJim Level 6 Commenter 18 months ago

Well written, and Well Done.

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The Suburban Poet Level 7 Commenter 18 months ago

I think Christianity is culturally dominant in America but it is interesting to see Conservatives who are strict constructionists dance around the words mentioned above in Article VI (3rd paragraph) of the constitution.

Tim_511 profile image

Tim_511 18 months ago

The Suburban Poet, in what way are we dancing around Article VI?

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The Suburban Poet Level 7 Commenter 18 months ago

I feel there is a litmus test among Christian conservatives for the politicians they support. That's just my view from the cheap seats. This article of the Constitution is so clear along with these words "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." yet many MANY Christians appear to want evangelicals elected to government positions.

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Tim_511 18 months ago

You cannot conflate the Constitutional requirement that bars the disqualification of individuals from holding public office because of religious views with personal voting opinions and preferences. One is governmental, the other is personal. Completely separate ideas. Are you truly trying to argue that Americans may not consider religion when exercising their Constitutional right to vote? Where do you get that authority to tell anyone that they may not consider any issue they please when determining the people they will choose to govern themselves?

The next time that you hear Christians claiming that a man is Constitutionally barred from holding office because of his unorthodox religious beliefs, then you have a reason to say that we might be trying to dance around Article VI.

PassinThru 18 months ago

Well said, We are not a Christian nation. We are a nation containing many Christians. Too many people get that confused. I think it comes in handy to think of ourselves as a CN. Then, whatever we do in the world, we feel we have God's Blessing. NOT! The US has committed (and still is committing) some of the most unGodly acts of mankind. That is not to say we are a bad nation, it is just saying we are not a particularly good one. We are one of many. And I'm not pledging allegiance to any flag other than God's own. Let's all be Christian from an individual standpoint. Afterall, isn't that true Christainity... a personal relationship with Christ??

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The Suburban Poet Level 7 Commenter 18 months ago

Tim,

That's not what I am saying. I'm saying many powerful right-wingers are carrying bibles up to capital hill and trying to force their beliefs into the government. If you don't believe that then fine. Anyone can run for office of course... all are welcome...

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Tim_511 18 months ago

Ok, I've got you now, but that isn't what you said before at all and has nothing to do with Article VI.

National debate will have to solve that disagreement, not an appeal to the Constitution unless it directly conflicts.

Paraglider profile image

Paraglider Level 5 Commenter 18 months ago

Very good hub. The only sensible way to organise a state is along secular lines. Religion should be a personal choice.

Robwrite profile image

Robwrite Level 7 Commenter 18 months ago

Its interesting that even though America was settled and conceived as a Puritan colony, there have never been any national laws set down to make this a Christian country.

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Chasuk Hub Author 18 months ago

@Tim_511: If the United States is not explicitly a Christian nation -- as you have conceded -- then it is not a nation based on Christianity. Of course, it was likely the expectation of most of those alive at the time that Christianity remain the common religion of the United States, and this expectation has been met. But this is no way makes the United States a nation based on Christianity.

I have added a quote from Thomas Jefferson which reveals the opinion of the majority of Virginians on this point.

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Chasuk Hub Author 18 months ago

@FitnezzJim: Thank you!

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Chasuk Hub Author 18 months ago

@PassinThru: I like your words, "We are not a Christian nation. We are a nation containing many Christians. Too many people get that confused."

Thank you for your input.

Austinstar profile image

Austinstar Level 7 Commenter 18 months ago

Is there a country or a state or an island somewhere that organized religion is banned? I'd love to live there.

If I were rich, I'd buy an island and make it so.

Pcunix profile image

Pcunix Level 7 Commenter 18 months ago

No island, but see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_athei

Belgium and the Netherlands seem like the closest.

GNelson profile image

GNelson Level 4 Commenter 18 months ago

I believe the USA has moved in the wrong direction since 9/11. If you look around the world, most countries that combine religion with politics are not good countries. Since 9/11 we in the USA have moved in that direction. If that trend continues the 9/11 cowards win.

Austinstar profile image

Austinstar Level 7 Commenter 18 months ago

Thanks, Pcunix, It looks like I may be moving to the Netherlands for retirement.

Or back to Maui. LOL.

Glassy profile image

Glassy 18 months ago

I didn't see Australia on that Wikipedia list, but I'm sure that it would be towards the bottom somewhere as there are a lot of non believers here also.

Hey Austinstar, I'm all for the ban, the sooner it happens the better, or should i say - if it ever happens.

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Austinstar Level 7 Commenter 18 months ago

Maybe we should start a petition or something. LOL

Glassy profile image

Glassy 18 months ago

The petition is a good idea but unfortunately, there are still too many people out there who think they have to follow the leader.

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yenajeon 18 months ago

VERY well written and it's true that people like to believe what they want to believe. Because Christianity was prevalent amongst puritans, we like to assume that this is a nation "born from Christianity"!

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Chasuk Hub Author 18 months ago

@yenajeon: Thanks you for your kind words. I think that many people make the "born from Christianity" assumption. Further, it's what we are taught, sometimes emphatically, from elementary school onwards.

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aguasilver Level 6 Commenter 17 months ago

It was a well written article, and you made a point, one which needs to be understood, a nation chooses whose authority they act under, secular or God based, your laws were bible based, your majority of people are bible believers (no matter how wacky their particular branch may be) and in general God has played a big part in your history.

But God has been excluded more and more since WW2 and you do now have a secular state.

Well done.... guess things are better now than thwey qwere when God was in the small print?

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Chasuk Hub Author 17 months ago

@aguasilver: I don't see any examples of theocracies where most of us would want to live, whether God is in the small print, or writ large.

After decades as a rational humanist, what motivated the change?

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aguasilver Level 6 Commenter 17 months ago

All in my hubpages, but basically I tried the living waters of Christ and found that His relationship was a better one than the one I had with the world.

I was a defector rather than a convert!

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Chasuk Hub Author 17 months ago

@aguasilver: If your life has improved, then I'm happy for you.

As you would (likely) say, God bless.

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James A Watkins Level 8 Commenter 14 months ago

You are surely right that the Constitution does not enshrine a national religion. It prohibits the United States Congress from establishing a national religion. Anyone who understands the history of Europe and England prior to 1789 can easily understand why this is. All of these men but three were Christians and those three had fallen into the fad of Deism.

However, I am sure you know that that the states that united as the United States retained the right to have state religions. And the public schools retained the right to be officially Protestant. That is why so many Catholic Schools were built in America.

If the First Amendment banned prayer in school and the Bible—which the Supreme Court ruled it did in 1962-1963—how do figure all the wise men who came before them from 1789 to 1962 never noticed that? I mean were men in 1962 able to read the same words better than all those who came before them?

The first act of America's first Congress in 1774 was to ask a Christian minister to open with prayer and to lead Congress in the reading of 4 chapters of the Bible. In 1777, Congress, facing a National shortage of `Bibles for our schools, and families, and for the public worship of God in our churches,' announced that they `desired to have a Bible printed under their care & by their encouragement' and therefore ordered 20,000 copies of the Bible. In 1782, Congress adopted (and has reaffirmed on numerous subsequent occasions) the National Seal with its Latin motto `Annuit Coeptis,' meaning `God has favored our undertakings'.

The 1783 Treaty of Paris, that officially ended the American Revolution and established America as an independent nation, begins with the appellation `In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.'

In 1789, the first Federal Congress, the very same Congress that framed the Bill of Rights, including the First Amendment, appropriated Federal funds to pay Christian chaplains to pray at the opening of all sessions, a practice that has continued to this day, with Congress not only funding its congressional chaplains but also the salaries and operations of more than 4,500 military chaplains. Now one can claim that men didn't know their own minds. I have a Hub I would be honored if you would read that features quotes from several Supreme Courts prior to the 1962-1963 Court; and quotes from every top-tier US President from Washington to JFK, that makes the claim America IS a Christian nation.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Founding-Fathers

Now supposing you are right. Well then, all these fine statesmen must be wrong—and its a pretty impressive list.

I would say the answer is: it is and it isn't.

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Chasuk Hub Author 14 months ago

@James: Thank you for your reply. Forgive me for not responding thoroughly in a single comment; time constraints require that I split this into several messages.

First, an admission. I don't care what the Founding Fathers intentions were. We are better than the Founding Fathers, and I say that with no denigration at all. The United States was founded by, and for, white, affluent men. Most of these men were Protestants.

These white, affluent, Protestant men founded a nation which was arguably superior to any that had existed before, but it still took abolition and the suffrage movement to end the slave trade and extend to women the right to vote.

Now, legally, through the courts, we are finally matching the vision of Madison, Jefferson, and Paine.

I've read your hub on the Founding Fathers, and I don't see there what you claim. I will detail my objections in the comments section of that specific hub.

Again, thank you for your response. I wrote this hub to refute the claim made by many Christians that the United States was founded as a Christian nation, whereas all that can legitimately be claimed is that it was founded by predominantly white, affluent, Protestant males.

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